tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post7038808556006368234..comments2024-03-28T13:10:04.655+00:00Comments on The Notion Club Papers - an Inklings blog: John Wain versus C.S. Lewis and the nature of The InklingsBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-74175857420423144752019-04-26T16:02:58.183+01:002019-04-26T16:02:58.183+01:00Once again, I appreciate your insights. I agree th...Once again, I appreciate your insights. I agree that DPG does not successfully refute Wain's claim and I did mean it as "argue against." I have ordered Reilly's book - 2 copies actually. The conversation has been so helpful and I am very thankful for each of your responses. Reggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05477407829488515105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-26893395646654833282019-04-26T06:57:26.744+01:002019-04-26T06:57:26.744+01:00Refute means to successfully prove that it is untr...Refute means to successfully prove that it is untrue - but maybe you are using refute in a weaker and less specific sense like 'argues against'. <br /><br />What *can* be shown is that the Inklings did not explicitly meet for any single purpose - not even as a literary group (Dyson tried to sabotage that aspect, seemingly). <br /><br />The Inklings were Not a group with self-conscious purpose, and the membership was diverse in goals and appreciations. Nonetheless the Big Four author-Inklings had a strong implicit agenda which was called Romantic Religion by RJ Reilly in perhaps the deepest book ever written on the Inklings<br /><br />https://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2018/11/romantic-religion-by-rj-reilly-1971-2006_7.html<br /><br />So it is perfectly reasonable to state that the cultural effect of the Inklings has been pretty much as Wain stated - although it wasn't really true at the time he wrote it!<br /><br />Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-15685084858091856732019-04-26T01:31:15.074+01:002019-04-26T01:31:15.074+01:00I so appreciate your reply. I do understand there...I so appreciate your reply. I do understand there are myriad ways of looking at the Inklings. I agree with Wain's perspective, one which you echo. However, DPG does not agree and she does refute it. Just after citing Wain and then Jack's denial of Wain's assertion, she writes "As seen in chapter 1, the claim that the Inklings gathered together under the banner of some 'incendiary' purpose cannot be substantiated.... they did not subscribe to an overarching purpose, and they did not envision themselves as the leaders of a countercultural revolution." (TCTK, 28). Thank you ever so much for dialogue. I am truly attempting to understand this aspect of Inklings's existence. I am grateful for the links and will read them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-36215093732012756272019-04-25T19:30:18.098+01:002019-04-25T19:30:18.098+01:00@R - Yes, Ive read them:
https://notionclubpapers...@R - Yes, Ive read them:<br /><br />https://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2016/04/review-of-bandersnatch-by-diana-pavlac.html<br /><br />There are various ways of looking at the Inklings. <br /><br />https://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/search?q=Inklings<br /><br />But if you read the wording of this post carefully, you'll see that what I am saying is pretty obviously correct. Glyer doesn't refute this - she is refuting Carpenter's idea that the Inklings was merely a social club:<br /><br />https://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2015/05/review-of-fellowship-literary-lives-of.htmlBruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-1018812344853598042019-04-25T19:19:30.166+01:002019-04-25T19:19:30.166+01:00Have you read "The Company They Keep" or...Have you read "The Company They Keep" or "Bandersnatch" in which Diana Pavlac Glyer refutes Wain's claim and contends, by voluminous citation and scholarship that the Inklings were only a literary group and were not modernist subversives? Thank you for any dialogue on this matter. Reggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05477407829488515105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-24778505029287542152011-05-16T18:47:30.418+01:002011-05-16T18:47:30.418+01:00John Wain also compiled a good little book called ...John Wain also compiled a good little book called Johnson on Johnson - a kind of autobiography consisting of excerpts from many sources, giving his own life in Sam Johnson's own words.Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-4983026653238328982011-05-16T18:16:36.629+01:002011-05-16T18:16:36.629+01:00It's good to see John Wain's fine biograph...It's good to see John Wain's fine biography of Samuel Johnson praised. It was overshadowed in the press by another biography that came out at about the same time (Bate's), but Wain's is to be recommended.<br /><br />Wain also wrote an essay on Lewis for The American Scholar. See the Winter 1980-81 issue, pages 73-80. <br /><br />Wain's obituary:<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-john-wain-1438370.htmlWurmbrandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17345523517796356674noreply@blogger.com