tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post296841613032887956..comments2024-03-14T06:20:59.015+00:00Comments on The Notion Club Papers - an Inklings blog: Trotter's feet, the moon and Tolkien's shamanistic creativityBruce Charltonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-11569784623696074352017-07-28T04:59:14.941+01:002017-07-28T04:59:14.941+01:00I would be fascinated to know more about how the s...I would be fascinated to know more about how the sort of real or apparent 'scientific phenomnena' care sits with the 'mythological' lunar, stellar, planetary aspects repeatedly refined over many years - perhaps most strikingly where Eärendil is involved, who steers the body which takes his name and is the source of the enphialed light Galadriel gives Frodo.<br /><br />David Llewellyn DoddsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-44906768442461097292017-07-21T15:59:37.787+01:002017-07-21T15:59:37.787+01:00Yes, I agree. When I have a special dream I respec...Yes, I agree. When I have a special dream I respect it authority and I think that is what Tolkien was doing. In a similar vein, Jung in a passage near the beginning of the Red Book is enjoined by the figure of the prophet Elijah: “Your work is fulfilled here. Other things will come. Seek untiringly, and above all write exactly what you see.” Jung at this point is deliberately exposing himself to the material welling up from inside him and finds himself in dialog with with Elijah and many other figures. Jung was attempting to examine he unconscious empirically and scientifically, while Tolkien thought of his work as a form of literature, but both, I think, instinctively knew they had to be faithful to material that is given, not merely invented. lgudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12774491337993415578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-35494844211281232402017-07-21T06:16:26.038+01:002017-07-21T06:16:26.038+01:00@A - The question is, *why* were they his darlings...@A - The question is, *why* were they his darlings? I think you are actually saying pretty much the same as me, but in different words: i.e. there were *some* things Tolkien 'wanted to keep' and these included scenes/ details that were particularly strong in his mind; probably because of the way they came to him. Bruce Charltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615189090601688535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2410716623228444076.post-51050933442399095472017-07-20T22:54:01.270+01:002017-07-20T22:54:01.270+01:00Trotter's feet is an interesting one. I'm...Trotter's feet is an interesting one. I'm going to push back a little bit against this. I think Tolkien was just a guy who had trouble killing his darlings. When he got a scene in his head--possibly through dreaming, but even just in his imagination--that really resonated with him, he wanted to keep it, even if it didn't make sense or fit in the narrative. I would say he had a scene-based writing process, where he had certain scenes--like the Nazgul sniffing scene or the new moon rising--that were very strong in his mind, which he tried hard to retain. These could certainly come from dreams, but they also seem like things that just might have arisen through the natural writing process.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com